The Hound of the Baskervilles – Period 4 Discussion #3
Period 4
Read the topics below. Please pick one of the following topics (A, B, C, D). When you post your answer, tell us what discussion topic (A, B, C, D) you have decided on, then give us your response.
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Discussion Topic A – Gothic Fiction
The gothic novel was a type of fiction that became popular in England during the late 1700’s and early 1800’s (World Book Online) . . . a melodramatic mode of English fiction of the late 18th and the early 19th century (Grolier Online). The Hound of the Baskervilles was published in 1902 (not within the accepted range of dates noted above), however it could qualify as a Gothic Novel.
- Information for this discussion can be found at
- B.E.E.P. – You know the way there.
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- Go to Grolier Online/Middle or World Book/Middle.
- Search for gothic novel.
- Read the first article that comes up.
- Go through Doorway #2: Research & HW Help.
- The Gothic Novel page at The University of Adelaide Library’s website
- Gothic, Novel, and Romance: Brief Definitions page at Washington State University’s website
- B.E.E.P. – You know the way there.
Discussion Topic A QUESTION: What elements of gothic fiction are present in The Hound of the Baskervilles? Use details and information from the text to support your answer.
Discussion Topic B – Stereotyping
Stereotyping is the act of holding or promoting generalized and oversimplified beliefs about members of a group (World Book Online). Many of the problems we face in day to day life related to sxism, racism, descrimination, and intolerance have their foundation in this practice.
- Information for this discussion can be found in these and other places.
- B.E.E.P. – You know the way there.
- Go through Doorway #2: research & HW Help
- Go to Grolier Online/Middle or World Book/Middle
- Search for stereotyping, or gender stereotyping
- Go through Doorway #2: research & HW Help
- Read this page called Teen’s Ideas on Gender Stereotypes. It’s really a plan for a class discussion we could hold.
- You could also read this article at ERIC Digest.
- You may find this Gender Stereotypes Analysis Chart helpful in organizing your answer.
- B.E.E.P. – You know the way there.
Discussion Topic B QUESTION: Are the characters in the Hound of the Baskervilles stereotypes? If so, explain why Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used. Use details and information from the text to support your answer.
Discussion Topic C – Conflict in the Novel (Plot)
Conflict is the struggle between the opposing forces on which the action in a work of literature depends. There are five basic forms of conflict: person versus person, person versus self, person versus nature, person versus society, and person versus God (About.com).
- Information for this discussion can be found in these and other places.
- Read the article, Conflict in Fiction, at Fiction Factor.com.
- You can also find information about this topic on my page on PLOT.
- Mrs. Dowling’s page on Conflict is brief and informative.
- You could use this Conflict Type Chart to map the conflicts you find in the novel.
- Ms. Engram’s English Classroom page on Short Story Elements offers some very useful information on conflict.
- You could watch this presentation on Plot & Conflict.
- This PLOT DIAGRAM may help you work out your answer.
Discussion Topic C QUESTION: What are the main conflicts in the novel? Are they all resolved? If so, how? If not, why not? Use details and information from the text to support your answer.
Discussion Topic D – Climax & Resolution in the Novel (Plot)
Climax is the point of greatest tension in a work of literature and the turning point in the action. In a plot line, the climax occurs after the rising action and before the falling action (About.com)
- Information for this discussion can be found in these and other places.
- You can also find information about this topic on my page on PLOT.
- You could watch this presentation on Plot & Conflict.
- This PLOT DIAGRAM may help you work out your answer.
Discussion Topic D QUESTION: At what point does the climax occur in the story? What events clearly led up to it and what is the resolution of the novel? Use details and information from the text to support your answer.
This discussion is closed. Thanks!!
Topic D-Climax and Resolution
I beleive the climax in this story would be when Holmes approached Watson by the hut.H0lmes then explained everything he knew about the moor, and its mischeif.Watson had already been asking around and he thought he knew what was going on. Compared to Holmes’ conclusion he was wrong but he did do good detective work he just didnt put all the facts together right. Holmes then began to tell Watson all he knew, he explained to him about Ms.Stapleton and how she was really Mrs.Stapleton and was married to Mr.Stapleton.Also,about how he lied to Laura Lyons and proposed to her.Watson and Holmes then discovered that Mr.Stapleton was Hugo Baskerville and he was trying to kill off all the Baskerville’s so he could inherit the money.
The events that led up to the climax were when Watson found where “The other Man on the Tor” was hiding.[it ended up being Holmes] Another one was the letters that Watson sent to Holmes about him protecting Henry and his days at Baskerville Hall.
The resolution was Holmes plan to catch Mr.Stapleton.
i agree with Kathrin- Kay because the book does have everything a gothic novel needs, so it should be consider as a gothic novel
in my opinion the climax of the story is where holmes saw the picture of Sir Hugo Baskerville. I believe that because, before finding out Stapelton was a Bakerville, we didnt really see his motive for killing Sir Henry. at that point almost everything cleared up
i dissagree with alex t. because the climax is when watson and holmes find seldons body
because its when they find out that mr.stapleton
is trying to kill sr.henry.
PART 2
I agree with Dervere because the book does have a lot of mystery and supernatural events and phenomena. Like how the hound kills the Baskervilles, but doesnt necessarily eat them. The hound appearing is supernautral iteself, because a giant hound is nearly impossible, even with science because this book took place years ago.
GOTHIC FICTION
This story is a Gothic becuase of how the Baskervilles died. And also becuase this book is filled with mystery and horror.And also the hound that lays upon the moor supposedly its supernatural.
Discussion Topic D QUESTION: At what point does the climax occur in the story? What events clearly led up to it and what is the resolution of the novel? Use details and information from the text to support your answer.
the climax of the story is when holmes and watson found seldons dead body upon the moor.the events leading up to this climax are watson going tovisit mr.lyonys and discovering holmes upon the grimpen mire and finding seldons dead body scattered upon the mooralso when they saw mr.staple ton wlaking twordsthem and his reaction when he discoverd the corps was of seldons and not of holmes
PART 1
Topic A Gothic fiction
Many elements of a gothic novel are present in “The Hound of the Baskervilles”. Some characteristics of a gothic novel present in the story is the hereditary curse on the Baskervilles, the mystery of is there really a hound killing the Baskervilles, and the old buildings like Baskerville Hall. I know these are characteristics because on The Gothic Novel page at The University of Adelaide Library’s website it gives the definition of a gothic novel in the first paragraph. In Chapter 5 “Three Broken Threads”, Holmes talks to the cabman who drove the man who was following Sir Henry Baskerville, and the cabman told Holmes that he was driving a man naemd Sherlock Holmes, which adds a sense of mystery of to who the cabman really drove.
i agree with Joey C. he’s right about the hound of the Baskerville being a conflict. Like he said “many people have heard the cry of the hound, nobody has claimed to have seen it.” But i think this conflict be solved soon. Since the story is almost over and Holmes is very close to solving this case. Also the next chapter is called the hound of the Baskerville which means it has something to do with it.” Holmes said”Our case becomes rounded off, and difficulty after difficulty thins away in front of us.”
Stereotyping is very common in children’s books like they describe girls all alike. For example they are usually sweet, dependent pretty, skinny, well dressed. While boys don’t cry, get mean, macho, and,tough. In the hound of the Baskervilles there were some acts of stereotyping. Like for example Dr. Watson said “The first impression left by Mrs. Lyons was one of extreme beauty.” Also Dr.Waston said “Ms. Stapleton is slim, elegant, and tall. She had a proud, finely cut face, so regular that it might have seemed impassive were it not for the sensitive mouth and the beautiful dark, eager eyes. With her perfect figure and elegant dress she was.” Both of the females in the story are beautiful why couldn’t the author make one fat of ugly? Not everyone in the world dressing elegantly and is skinny and a beauty. Also Holmes said “Mr. Stapleton appears to be a very consistent character” Why isn’t Ms. Stapleton?
She also lied about not being married.
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indiana.edu/~reading/ieo/digests/d135.html
literature.org/authors/doyle-arthur-conan/hound/
Also, i agree with Jo-anna and Nickeisha because in the story it did have cries in the middle of the night and sudden occurance of deaths. For example: Selden being killed while being in the clothes of Sir Henry Baskerville and Mrs. Barrymore crying in the middle of the night. Also, the detectives are trying to figure out if the curse is real or not. This is why i agree with Jo-anna and Nickeisha.
Topic A – Gothic Fiction
There are many things that show us that the book Hound of The Baskervilles is a gothic fiction. First of all it was in the 1800’s and even though the topic gothic fiction itself started way earlier….it was still as popular in the 18oos. Also according to the University of Adelaide Library’s website “The Gothic novel is a literary genre, in which the prominent features are mystery, doom, decay, old buildings with ghosts in them, madness, hereditary curses and so on.” This quotation says a lot about how the hound of the baskervilles is a gothic fiction because the book does have a curse that is hereditary. Also, most of Chapter 2 explains and talks about the curse. Also, on page 17 in the book, it explains and tells us clearly that there is a curse. It is also a mystery because in the book both Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson are trying to figure out who murdered Sir Charles Baskerville. Also, Baskerville Hall is pretty old and if you look at the picture on the front cover the Baskerville Hall does look like an Old Building. These were some reasons why i said that this book is a Gothic Fiction.
TOPIC A-GOTHIC FICTION
Gothic Fiction is a genre of literary that displays distinct features like mystery, doom, “hereditary curses” and such. The Hound of the Baskervilles completely fits into the genre of Gothic Fiction. The Hound of the Baskervilles includes a hereditary curse that carries on throughout the book to solve the mystery of the Baskervilles. For example, on page 12 of the novel, Dr.Mortimer states that the manuscript in his pocket was “a certain legend which runs in the Baskerville family”. The legend is a hereditary curse, making it a gothic fiction novel.
Information from:http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/themes/gothic.html
i agree with Dervere and Jo-anna. What type off hound would go on a killing spree and kill only the Baskervilles. ^^
Topic A Gothic Fiction
This is a gothic fiction because of the mystery behind how the Baskervilles died. A gothic fiction is mostly about mystery and horror. which is mostly what this book has. From trying to find out what Berrymore was doing in an empty room to one of the convics falling to hes death because of being chased by a hound.
I agree with Joanna because the hounds killing spree and the curse,shows signs of Gothic fiction ,because it is a mystery upon how the Baskervilles died.
Gothic fiction is a genre with the mixture of horror and mystery.Gothic fiction exist in The Hound of the Baskervilles because of the curse that is upon the Baskervilles which leads up to a big mystery.also the Hound that feeds upon the baskervilles is thought to be supernatural .Everything that I have mentioned including the supernatural and mystery was included in the page of information on Gothic fiction from the Washington state university.
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What conflicts could there still be? Give us an example of one or two.
i agree with liana C. because it is true that not all of the conflicts are resolved. the book is still on going, there could be more to the story line.
Disscusion Topic
Question C – Conflict in the story
One conflict in the story are Holmes “three broken threads” in ch. 5. These broken threads are Barrymore not being the spy, Cartwright not finding the Time magazine cut-outs, and John Clayton giving unhelpful information. These conflicts were not resolved because the people tracking down Holmes information all failed. Another is the conflict was the escaped convict on the moor. Watson figured out that it was Barrymore’s brother and that he was leaving to South America. The convict died before this happened. And of course the hound of the Baskerville, which many people have been said to have died from it. This conflict has not been solved because though many people have heard the cry of the hound, nobody has claimed to have seen it.
topic question C-Conflict in the novel:
the main conflicts in the novel are when the baskerville male line is being killed. the conflicts aren’t all resolved because that is what the book is about. So no, the conflict/conflicts are not resolved yet. The conflicts are not resolved because Watson and Holmes are in the midst of solving these conflicts or problems. They have found out who is killing the male line of the Baskervilles, which is Mr Stapleton who is a Baskerville, because of the portraait that Holmes had seen in the Baskerville home that resembled Mr. Stapleton so well.
The portrait that resembled Stapleton just so happened to be the portrait of Sir Hugo Baskerville. Watson and Holmes also found out why these killings were being made which was of course for money. Stapleton believed that if he killed the whole Baskerville male line then he would inherit the money from the family.
i agree with Nickiesha because the story does have alot of mysterious events like cries in the middle,unfortunate deaths which occur quite randomly and creepy houses.
Topic A
The Hound of The Baskervilles contains many gothic fiction characteristics like how the story gave way to modern horror because of the whole curse and the hound that kills people.Those are details seen in many new horror stuff today,and thats what gothic fiction is according to the university of Adelaide Library. a gothic fiction book contains details as in curse(The curse with the Baskerville family),mystery(The unidentifiable hound who no one has actually seen yet),doom(The people on the moor at the wrong time are doomed to be killed).
Victoria,
That is very nice of you to agree with Brianna. However, just because someone says the book has a “dark vibe” doesn’t make it so. Would you give us an example of the “dark vibe”?
Alex,
Even if I do know where you are coming from, I can not grant that you are correct unless you prove your claim to me with specific (quoted) details from the book.
I agree with Brianna N. because she said that it had a dark vibe.Also Watson and Holmes are always on mysteries.
Discussion Topic-AGothic Fiction
The Hound of the BAskervilles is a gothic fiction because of the way its set. ITs in a dreery place the moor is. Also its creepy and it has a dark feeling to it in my opinion. There is a curse of the baskervilles in the story which fit the requirements of a gothic fiction. Also this takes place in London which is in England. It also takes place in the 1800s so I think this book is a gothic fiction novel.
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i agree with Nickiesha answer because she has alot of details and explains her answer well.
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I agree with Nickiesha’s answer because she has a lot of details and explains her answer well.
Discussion topic A- Gothic Fiction . The Hound of the Baskervilles is a gothic fiction (what? novel? book?) because of the way the story is based its(spelling/punctuation) in the 1800s and to me this book has a dark vibe to it(run on sentence). Also(punctuation) the story talks about a curse and Watson and Holmes are always on mysteries(unclear) and thats(spelling/punctuation) why this story is gothic fiction.
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Discussion Topic A- Gothic Fiction
The Hound of the Baskervilles is a gothic fiction novel, because of the way the story is based in the 1800’s. ((For example . . .))
Also, the book has a dark vibe to it. ((For example . . .))
In addition, the story is centered around a curse. ((For example . . .))
Finally, Dr. Watson and Mr. Holmes are always on mysteries. ((How do you know this? Are other mysteries they are working on mentioned in the book? If so, what mysteries?))
Mr. Moshe,
well he didn’t come up with a conclusion exactly but he applied the info as well as he could but had no idea what was going on as in the lines of Mr. Stapleton’s actions and his relationship with M(r)s. Stapleton. Do you know where I’m coming from? I hope i cleared it up.
I must ask, what is “old decrepit”? Doesn’t that describe something broken down? Something aged? Something beyond rescue?
Is Baskerville Hall described this way?
Alex,
Would you be so kind as to clarify something you claimed in your answer? Where in the story did Watson share with Holmes a conclusion he came to about the deaths “that was well thought out but wrong”?
I agree with Nickeisha because the book does have many mysterious events. It also reminds me of how Sherlock Holmes popped out of no where when Dr. Watson was searching the old building. Also the novel has an evil hound that screams a loud yell at night that is very scary.
Discussion Topic A – Gothic Fiction
The Hound of The Baskervilles has many things that has to do with gothic fiction. First of all this strory takes place in the 1800’s. Second, this story has a curse on the family of Baskervilles, with creep old houses and the dark dreary moore. To me that’s really creepy. Another reason is that the part of this story takes place in London. Sherlcock Holmes and Dr. Watson talk in a way that was spoken many years ago. Those are some reasons why this story is gothic fiction.
The Hound of the Baskervilles has many elements of
gothic fiction.According to “gotic novel page at the
university of adelaide library” one element of gothic
fiction is mystery, the hound of the baskervilles, like
every other sherlock holmes novel, is a mystery
novel.old buiding are also a charectaristic of gothic
fiction , baskerville hall is a very old building. gothic
fiction also contains alo of hereditary curses. the curse
of the hound of the baskervilles is a hereditary curse. at
least it seems to be at first. according to “gothic novel
and romance:brief definitions page at the washington
state university website” gothic novels include, ghosts,
disapearances, and supernatural events. in the
beginging of the book many people had theories that
the hound was a “huge creature, luminious, ghastly,
and spectral.” they thought it was a “supernatural
being”. those are some of the gothic elements that are
included in the hound of the baskervilles.
I chose discussion question A gothic Fiction. The Hound of the Baskervilles has many elements of gothic fiction. It takes place in the 1800’s in London England in an old decrepid house. It has a series of mysterious events. For example mysterious deaths of the Baskervilles. According to the Noval Page of Adelaide Librarie’s website for a book to be considered a gothic fiction the setting has to be a mystery, doom, decay, old buildings, ghosts, madness, and hereditary curses. The Hound of the Baskervilles also has detectives trying to figure out if the curse of the Hound is real. According to Gothic Noval, and Romance : Breif Definitions page at Washington State University’s Website a gothic noval’s setting often have supernatural events or beings.
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I agree with Alex T because he came across some important points(climaxes).Such as the Watson and Holmes on the tor meeting,the laura lyons plot,and the “Stapeltons a killer” problem.
My opinion is that you should have added 2 or 3 quotes in the climaxes such as (watson said “only one man has that…..voice…….Holmes ……).Something like that.See Yah!!!!!
Topic D – Climax
The climax of the story occurs when Holmes addresses Watson in person when he shows up in the hut. He then explains to Watson everything he knows, which helps us understand what is going on. Before that point, Watson was interviewing different people and finding out new, important facts but not applying them to the problem as well as he should have. He came to a conclusion that was well thought out but wrong, compared to Holmes’s. Holmes informed Watson of Mr. Stapleton’s marriage to Mrs. Stapleton, as well as his trickery of Laura Lyons and his marrige. They then found out that Mr. Stapleton was in fact the devilish, mischievious person himself, Hugo Baskerville. After that discovery, they concluded that Mr. Stapleton was killing off every living Baskerville to receive the Baskerville fortune. Holmes, then, concocted a plan to catch the Stapletons in the act of the murder of Sir Henry Baskerville.
The events that led to the climax was when Watson discovered the hiding place to the so-called “Other man on the Tor” (who was in fact, Holmes). They then met and cleared everything up. A very big important one was the letters that Watson sent to Holmes explaining his days upon Baskerville Hall and protecting Henry. Without these, Holmes would have never come to his conclusion.
Topic C-Conflects
Their are many conflicts in the story. One is the misterious legend of the Hound of the Baskevilles and it’s killing spree. Another is the misterious figure of Mr.Stapleton (Hugo Baskerville) and his EVIL actions.
The conflect about the Houd has been solved yet, but seems to be trace from Mr.Stapleton. Holmes and Watson are close to resolveing all the conflects but we still have to wait……..
The conflect of Mr.Stapletons ghastly deeds is close to being resolved. We know now that his soo called sisiter was indeed his wife and he cheated Laura Lyons out of a marrage and is the reason for Sir Charles death to inheirite the Baskerville fortune.
Mr.Moshe may you tell me in class if i answered it right because i do not have a computer.
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ok mr.moshe ill change it to a link
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You neglected to cite your sources. How do you know about Gothic fiction? Where did you get your information about it?
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Nice work all in all. And again, i want ot commend you on the effort youmade to get the film for the class (even though it it did turn out to be slightly illegal).
Keep up the good work!!
James,
Please believe me, I appreciate that you are trying to do somehting everyone will enjoy.
However. You are violating international copyright laws by linking to a website that has a film on it that you do not own the legal “copy” rights to.
It is illegal to show a film to the public without owning the rights to the film.
I have removed the link to your website to protect myself. I can not be connected with that way of showing the film.
You see, the book itself is in the public domain because the author has been dead for more than 100 years.
The film is not in the public domain because there are many people associated with it who have not been dead for over 100 years.
In fact, the film you have on your website will not actually be in the public doamin until one of the following two requirements is met: (1) all those invovled with it’s production have been dead for 100 years, OR (2) the company that owns the rights to the film decide to give up all legal rights to the film.
You are risking legal action from the company that produced the film. I’d take it off my website, if I were you.
I really do appreciate the lengths to which you’ve gone to find it, although it is in Russian (I think) with English subtitles.
One thing you could do is provide a link to the YouTube site at your site. You know, “Follow this link to YouTube, search for Hound of the Baskervilles, and there you’ll have it” kind of thing.
Thanks for the effort.
Finnaly my website is up. click on my name and youll be there good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Topic A – Gothic Fiction
Gothic fiction is an important genre of literature that combines elements of both horror and mystery. The elements of Gothic Fiction that are present in The Hound of the Baskervilles consists of mystery(as I said before), the supernatural, and hereditary curses.
The mystery of this (great) story is that Holmes and Watson are called to investigate a curse “which is alleged to hang over the Baskerville house”.
The notion of the “supernatural” is the legend of “the hound”which was known as “a foul thing,a great black beast with great blazing eyes and a jaw dripping with blood”.
What was next ….. oh yah hereditary curses.
The curse of the Baskerville is that the hound is after everyone in the baskerville family.Holmes said”Watson I want you to got to baskerville hall with sir henry and protect him……”
Ps: Mr.Moshe can you post if i did it right?
Thank You.